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		<title>By: The Skald</title>
		<link>http://www.skalduggery.com/2010/06/03/on-being-fearful-of-the-truth/comment-page-1/#comment-515</link>
		<dc:creator>The Skald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-508&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@tom Vail &lt;/a&gt; I&#039;m going to Wed/Thu weekends in July, so I&#039;ll be looking for you then! I&#039;ll have a couple cameras cause I like riding my motorcycle and finding things to shoot :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-508" rel="nofollow">@tom Vail </a> I&#8217;m going to Wed/Thu weekends in July, so I&#8217;ll be looking for you then! I&#8217;ll have a couple cameras cause I like riding my motorcycle and finding things to shoot <img src='http://www.skalduggery.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: tom Vail</title>
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		<dc:creator>tom Vail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 05:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steven,
If you drive by and don&#039;t stop to say hi, I&#039;ll be pissed.  I was already a bit whizzed just from holding my breath for your arrival over Memorial Day weekend.  Nah.  Just make sure you stop by and pull us out of the garden, vineyard, or olives (where we live during daylight hours when not at day jobs).
If your weekend is Thursday Friday (?) we are likely in the yard from 5:00ish until almost dark.  It is a beautiful time to take a ride.  Hope to see you soon.

tom
.-= tom Vail&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://ttoes.wordpress.com/2010/06/03/advice-for-the-president-stop-the-leak/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Advice for the President – Stop the Leak&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steven,<br />
If you drive by and don&#8217;t stop to say hi, I&#8217;ll be pissed.  I was already a bit whizzed just from holding my breath for your arrival over Memorial Day weekend.  Nah.  Just make sure you stop by and pull us out of the garden, vineyard, or olives (where we live during daylight hours when not at day jobs).<br />
If your weekend is Thursday Friday (?) we are likely in the yard from 5:00ish until almost dark.  It is a beautiful time to take a ride.  Hope to see you soon.</p>
<p>tom<br />
.-= tom Vail&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://ttoes.wordpress.com/2010/06/03/advice-for-the-president-stop-the-leak/" rel="nofollow">Advice for the President – Stop the Leak</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: The Skald</title>
		<link>http://www.skalduggery.com/2010/06/03/on-being-fearful-of-the-truth/comment-page-1/#comment-503</link>
		<dc:creator>The Skald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jun 2010 17:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-495&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@tom Vail &lt;/a&gt; Thank you Tom. I find my daughters manage that same thing for me – I have sometimes changed or refined my thinking on some issues thanks to their unique take on some issues. I’ve pretty much trusted our electoral system, and even pooh-poohed Jimmy Carter’s “denunciation” of our elections processes – all the way up until I took a serious look at some of his charges. Part of the reason I’m enjoying your series at &lt;a href=&quot;http://ttoes.wordpress.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Responsibility&lt;/a&gt; is that it seeks not only to challenge but to persuade. The more perspectives I absorb, the more likely I am to find the truth? :D

I believe Marcus Aurelius was wrong. I do think the lion’s share of what we hear is probably opinion, but I also think there are valid and invalid opinions – opinions that are more likely to conform to reality. If there is only perspective and opinion, and the truth and facts are a fiction, then these conversations about seeking the best path are really meaningless. For me, the simple fact that we are able to communicate, however poorly, constitutes evidence of an objective reality.

And I’m really bummed that I missed an important part of that objective reality! I couldn’t swing a trip by your vineyards, and I was really hoping to make that happen on Memorial Day. :(  I think that on my next sunny weekend, my wife and I will climb on the Harley and at least drive by your vineyard and shoot some pictures of the countryside. I once worked in the private sector near there – beautiful country!

Cheers Tom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-495" rel="nofollow">@tom Vail </a> Thank you Tom. I find my daughters manage that same thing for me – I have sometimes changed or refined my thinking on some issues thanks to their unique take on some issues. I’ve pretty much trusted our electoral system, and even pooh-poohed Jimmy Carter’s “denunciation” of our elections processes – all the way up until I took a serious look at some of his charges. Part of the reason I’m enjoying your series at <a href="http://ttoes.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">Responsibility</a> is that it seeks not only to challenge but to persuade. The more perspectives I absorb, the more likely I am to find the truth? <img src='http://www.skalduggery.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I believe Marcus Aurelius was wrong. I do think the lion’s share of what we hear is probably opinion, but I also think there are valid and invalid opinions – opinions that are more likely to conform to reality. If there is only perspective and opinion, and the truth and facts are a fiction, then these conversations about seeking the best path are really meaningless. For me, the simple fact that we are able to communicate, however poorly, constitutes evidence of an objective reality.</p>
<p>And I’m really bummed that I missed an important part of that objective reality! I couldn’t swing a trip by your vineyards, and I was really hoping to make that happen on Memorial Day. <img src='http://www.skalduggery.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' />   I think that on my next sunny weekend, my wife and I will climb on the Harley and at least drive by your vineyard and shoot some pictures of the countryside. I once worked in the private sector near there – beautiful country!</p>
<p>Cheers Tom.</p>
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		<title>By: The Skald</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Skald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jun 2010 17:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-493&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Jeff &lt;/a&gt; I drive my wife crazy with similar issues. I think part of it is growing up during a time when the battle cry was “challenge the dominant paradigm!”  …words to that effect. We had a similar conversation when an ad campaign used the notion of “coloring outside the lines.” While I understood the intent, I thought the commercial itself was facile and actually promoted superficial thinking. I grumbled about it.

She said, “Sometimes you should color outside the lines.” I said, “Why bother buying the coloring book in the first place? Get a blank piece of paper and make what you will… why make the coloring book look like shit?” Thanks to my tactless point making, the conversation degenerated from there. Like Lazarus, Finster’s second rule of domestic tranquility applied: When in an argument with your lover, and you discover you’re right, apologize, AT ONCE! OK, perhaps I wasn&#039;t precisely right :D

I think my essential “peeve” is similar to yours – be careful of your own presuppositions, you picked them up like you picked up most childhood diseases… uncritically from your family and friends. As a consequence, I tend to share that skin crawling sensation for virtually the same reasons – ESPECIALLY with those annoying little corporate sayings.

I’ve read Columbine – totally freaked me out. Initially, I couldn’t quite wrap my head around how poorly the media reported the story. Had their little bomb detonated…? 

Glad you like the posts – maybe we can hash out what a Constitutional purist is, I like the sound of the name ;)  I don’t want my kids drowning in a sea of central (control) planning either. Hopefully most of America will start following Texas’ lead with their textbooks. Perhaps a solid grounding in America’s founding will help the next generation of leaders. I think what will help them more is what their family instills… those first principles, those presuppositions that they’ll (hopefully) challenge and not find wanting.

Cheers buddy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-493" rel="nofollow">@Jeff </a> I drive my wife crazy with similar issues. I think part of it is growing up during a time when the battle cry was “challenge the dominant paradigm!”  …words to that effect. We had a similar conversation when an ad campaign used the notion of “coloring outside the lines.” While I understood the intent, I thought the commercial itself was facile and actually promoted superficial thinking. I grumbled about it.</p>
<p>She said, “Sometimes you should color outside the lines.” I said, “Why bother buying the coloring book in the first place? Get a blank piece of paper and make what you will… why make the coloring book look like shit?” Thanks to my tactless point making, the conversation degenerated from there. Like Lazarus, Finster’s second rule of domestic tranquility applied: When in an argument with your lover, and you discover you’re right, apologize, AT ONCE! OK, perhaps I wasn&#8217;t precisely right <img src='http://www.skalduggery.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I think my essential “peeve” is similar to yours – be careful of your own presuppositions, you picked them up like you picked up most childhood diseases… uncritically from your family and friends. As a consequence, I tend to share that skin crawling sensation for virtually the same reasons – ESPECIALLY with those annoying little corporate sayings.</p>
<p>I’ve read Columbine – totally freaked me out. Initially, I couldn’t quite wrap my head around how poorly the media reported the story. Had their little bomb detonated…? </p>
<p>Glad you like the posts – maybe we can hash out what a Constitutional purist is, I like the sound of the name <img src='http://www.skalduggery.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />   I don’t want my kids drowning in a sea of central (control) planning either. Hopefully most of America will start following Texas’ lead with their textbooks. Perhaps a solid grounding in America’s founding will help the next generation of leaders. I think what will help them more is what their family instills… those first principles, those presuppositions that they’ll (hopefully) challenge and not find wanting.</p>
<p>Cheers buddy!</p>
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		<title>By: tom Vail</title>
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		<dc:creator>tom Vail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2010 17:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As always, well written and thought provoking.  I often am challenged by my two sons to look at what I believe and why I believe it.  They both enjoy pointing out my old fashioned conservatism and many of my assumptions.  And, they are often right to do so.  For example, I have always believed that elections in the US were fair and honest.  Since moving to Oregon 6 years ago and not going to a polling place since (vote by mail only in Oregon), I often wonder what really happens to my vote after it gets in the mail and how many people vote multiple times.
Did Marcus Aurelius have it right?  &quot;Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.&quot;
.-= tom Vail&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://ttoes.wordpress.com/2010/06/03/advice-for-the-president-stop-the-leak/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Advice for the President – Stop the Leak&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As always, well written and thought provoking.  I often am challenged by my two sons to look at what I believe and why I believe it.  They both enjoy pointing out my old fashioned conservatism and many of my assumptions.  And, they are often right to do so.  For example, I have always believed that elections in the US were fair and honest.  Since moving to Oregon 6 years ago and not going to a polling place since (vote by mail only in Oregon), I often wonder what really happens to my vote after it gets in the mail and how many people vote multiple times.<br />
Did Marcus Aurelius have it right?  &#8220;Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.&#8221;<br />
.-= tom Vail&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://ttoes.wordpress.com/2010/06/03/advice-for-the-president-stop-the-leak/" rel="nofollow">Advice for the President – Stop the Leak</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2010 18:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I drive my wife crazy with things like this.  She thinks I&#039;m intolerant because saying &quot;think outside the box&quot; to me elicits the response &quot;define the box and why it&#039;s so bad.&quot;  Received wisdom can be as complex as social theories or as simple as those annoying sayings corporate consultants are so fond of.

Things that make my skin crawl when I hear them are &quot;no weapons of mass destruction were found,&quot; &quot;Bush stole the election,&quot; and now &quot;how about that racist Arizona law.&quot;  It shows a staggering lack of knowledge and a dismaying amount of mimicry.  Responses, of course, are &quot;read the freakin Duelfer report for yourself,&quot; &quot;learn about the election process,&quot; and &quot;read the damn law.&quot;

I used to say I was Libertarian, now I think I&#039;m more of a Constitutional purist.  I don&#039;t know if that has a name or not.  But the effect of the leftist pressure in my life is actually making me look at your average Republican and forgive the parts I don&#039;t agree with just so I don&#039;t drown in a sea of controlled press, controlled teachers, and controlled entertainment industry.

If you really want to shatter something most people think they know a lot about, read the book Columbine by Dave Cullen.  I consider myself reality-based, but after reading only the first third of that book I can see I was as ignorant as any &quot;Bush lied&quot; shouting head - at least about Columbine ;)

Love your posts, Steve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I drive my wife crazy with things like this.  She thinks I&#8217;m intolerant because saying &#8220;think outside the box&#8221; to me elicits the response &#8220;define the box and why it&#8217;s so bad.&#8221;  Received wisdom can be as complex as social theories or as simple as those annoying sayings corporate consultants are so fond of.</p>
<p>Things that make my skin crawl when I hear them are &#8220;no weapons of mass destruction were found,&#8221; &#8220;Bush stole the election,&#8221; and now &#8220;how about that racist Arizona law.&#8221;  It shows a staggering lack of knowledge and a dismaying amount of mimicry.  Responses, of course, are &#8220;read the freakin Duelfer report for yourself,&#8221; &#8220;learn about the election process,&#8221; and &#8220;read the damn law.&#8221;</p>
<p>I used to say I was Libertarian, now I think I&#8217;m more of a Constitutional purist.  I don&#8217;t know if that has a name or not.  But the effect of the leftist pressure in my life is actually making me look at your average Republican and forgive the parts I don&#8217;t agree with just so I don&#8217;t drown in a sea of controlled press, controlled teachers, and controlled entertainment industry.</p>
<p>If you really want to shatter something most people think they know a lot about, read the book Columbine by Dave Cullen.  I consider myself reality-based, but after reading only the first third of that book I can see I was as ignorant as any &#8220;Bush lied&#8221; shouting head &#8211; at least about Columbine <img src='http://www.skalduggery.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Love your posts, Steve.</p>
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